Minutes NCIP-IG Conference Call
Jan. 17, 2003
Attendees:
1. Announcements, heads up.
Mark Wilson introduced Ted Koppel, Senior Product Manager, who will represent The Library Corporation. Frances said the Colorado Virtual Library had decided to be an official member of NCIP-IG. They are mostly interested in exploring the initiator/client side of the protocol. Steve Gregory will represent them in conference call and email discussions, although he will not be able to travel to meetings.
2. NCIP Maintenance Agency.
Frances reported that she had talked to Pat Harris at NISO last week. NISO has not found a maintenance agency for NCIP. Frances had relayed suggestions from the group. Pat said that NISO would not be able to act as the maintenance agency, which was one of the suggestions. With only 2 staff members it is not feasible. Pat sent a solicitation for an organization to act as NCIP Maintenance Agency to NISO member organizations. Mark Needleman sent a copy to the ncipimp list. Pat had not talked to Barb Shuh at NLC but said for a national standard NISO thinks it would be better to have a US organization. 3M was mentioned since it had maintained the SIP as the forerunner of NCIP. But only OCLC has offered to take on the role. Frances commented that both are vendors with applications which seems to be the objection. There was discussion of attracting some other organization. Pat had said LC had not expressed interest although aware that NISO is looking for someone to do this. Mark Needleman sent a description of maintenance agency from NISO Operating Procedures to ncipimp. The suggestion was made that if some state or university library (even LC) lacked funds to take on this responsibility perhaps there could be a fee for vendors to help support it in order to have what was perceived to be an unbiased agency. That would require incorporation of some kind of group. The suggestion was raised that some ALA Committee might act as the agency. NCIP-IG members attending ALA Midwinter will investigate. Mark Needleman will talk to the LITA president.
3. Action Items from the last meeting:
The next meeting will be a conference call hosted by Gaylord Friday February 14 at 10AM EST. Since a maintenance agency has not been appointed it was decided to go ahead and start planning a 3 day meeting. OCLC had offered to host the meeting in Dublin Ohio. Tony O'Brien agreed to investigate dates for this meeting. April 7-9 was suggested since and IPIG meeting that was scheduled for those days has been cancelled. If OCLC has any problems with those days it was agreed that some dates in May would be acceptable.
- Steve Gregory
- Bob Gray
- Ted Koppel
- Mark Wilson
- Tony O'Brien
- Mark Needleman
- Randy Menakes
- Barbara Vance
- Jens Dill
- John Bodfish
- Frances McNamara
1. Announcements, heads up.
Mark Wilson introduced Ted Koppel, Senior Product Manager, who will represent The Library Corporation. Frances said the Colorado Virtual Library had decided to be an official member of NCIP-IG. They are mostly interested in exploring the initiator/client side of the protocol. Steve Gregory will represent them in conference call and email discussions, although he will not be able to travel to meetings.
2. NCIP Maintenance Agency.
Frances reported that she had talked to Pat Harris at NISO last week. NISO has not found a maintenance agency for NCIP. Frances had relayed suggestions from the group. Pat said that NISO would not be able to act as the maintenance agency, which was one of the suggestions. With only 2 staff members it is not feasible. Pat sent a solicitation for an organization to act as NCIP Maintenance Agency to NISO member organizations. Mark Needleman sent a copy to the ncipimp list. Pat had not talked to Barb Shuh at NLC but said for a national standard NISO thinks it would be better to have a US organization. 3M was mentioned since it had maintained the SIP as the forerunner of NCIP. But only OCLC has offered to take on the role. Frances commented that both are vendors with applications which seems to be the objection. There was discussion of attracting some other organization. Pat had said LC had not expressed interest although aware that NISO is looking for someone to do this. Mark Needleman sent a description of maintenance agency from NISO Operating Procedures to ncipimp. The suggestion was made that if some state or university library (even LC) lacked funds to take on this responsibility perhaps there could be a fee for vendors to help support it in order to have what was perceived to be an unbiased agency. That would require incorporation of some kind of group. The suggestion was raised that some ALA Committee might act as the agency. NCIP-IG members attending ALA Midwinter will investigate. Mark Needleman will talk to the LITA president.
3. Action Items from the last meeting:
- Gail will come up with web seminar (for consultants). Gail had sent an email description to ncipimp. It was decided that a subcommittee of Gail Wanner, Barbara Vance, Mark Needleman and Frances McNamara will work up this presentation and show it to the broader group before offering it to consultants. All had seen the email and there were no objections to the proposal although Frances commented you would have to be careful about trying to report vendor implementation plans and current status..
- John will maintain ‘messages/profiles supported’ grid. John had received information from 2 people but had not yet compiled it. He will provide an updated grid to Frances next week to post.
- Frances: Grid will be password protected on NCIP-IG website. Frances had sent out a sample of the pass-worded pages but still needs to get the passwords set up and distributed.
- Tony will produce/own a set of dummy XML test data for agencies, users, items (2 of each?), for interop testing,. Tony apologized and said he would get this out next week.
- Organizations will report on Z39.50 holdings record structures & data elements which map to NCIP data elements. Ex Libris, Innovative Interfaces, Inc., Sirsi and TLC The Library Corporation had provided information which has been posted. The others need to send theirs to the list.
- Mark W. to look into NCIP data elements that can potentially be derived from Z39.50 data. Mark Wilson had done this in a posting to the list
- Mark N. will find and review the academic LDAP schema. Mark Needleman had not yet done this.
- Mark N. will map open URL to NCIP. Mark Needleman posted this and Frances put it on a page.
- John will post proposal on how to do patron name queries in an NCIP application environment. John reported he had not done this but promised to post it to the list for discussion the week of Jan. 20.
- Implementer's guidelines. John Bodfish had not yet posted his suggested guideline that was discussed in the last meeting. He will do this and Frances will post it to a page of Pending guidelines for 2 weeks. John will also post the results of the discussion of invariant characters and Frances will post.
- NEW ISSUES. John Bodfish proposed that NCIP-IG register the NCIP internet protocol with the name "ncip" for the socket connection for NCIP messaging. After discussion it was decided this would do no harm and could be useful. Since a specific person needs to be named, John will provide Frances with this request to register the defined transport mechanism for TCP/IP under NCIP and this will be submitted to IANA. A second issue raised by Tony O'Brien was whether there needs to be a fourth transport mechanism added to the protocol that would allow for a secure way to transfer on top of TCP. Should SSL on top of TCP go into the Implementation Profile. This needs to be put on a list of open issues to be tracked and Tony needs to make a proposal and post it to the list.
The next meeting will be a conference call hosted by Gaylord Friday February 14 at 10AM EST. Since a maintenance agency has not been appointed it was decided to go ahead and start planning a 3 day meeting. OCLC had offered to host the meeting in Dublin Ohio. Tony O'Brien agreed to investigate dates for this meeting. April 7-9 was suggested since and IPIG meeting that was scheduled for those days has been cancelled. If OCLC has any problems with those days it was agreed that some dates in May would be acceptable.
