Minutes NCIP-IG Conference Call
Mar. 21, 2003
Attendees:
1. Announcements, heads Up.
Frances had talked to Pat Harris at NISO. She has almost reached agreement with a non-vendor organization to act as the NCIP Maintenance Agency although it is possible that OCLC may do the registration part. Frances will follow up to see if the Maintenance Agency can send a representative to the April meeting or, if not, whether a conference call could help to start discussions at that time.
2. Agenda for April 7-9 meeting in Dublin, Ohio.
Frances solicited agenda topics. She will need to compile them into a proposed agenda and put a draft out to the list for comment.
Topics:
"Pick up location problem" Tony O'Brien of OCLC has raised this issue. It was suggested that Tony should write up the problem and suggested solution and that should be discussed. It may require a change to the protocol, so is a good example of something that needs a procedure to address it. This may also feed into a discussion of NCIP registration.
"How to accept/pay fees on a checkout" Sue Boettcher raised this issue which will require either the addition of a field or the use of two messages. Sue will write up the problem and a proposed solution.
Procedures to change the protocol. How to make defect reports. Do we change the DTD or revise it? Using the above two examples of problems, Mark Needleman will lead a discussion of what is needed for NCIP. Ideally we will have a representative of the Maintenance agency working on this with us.
Implementer's Guidelines. It was suggested there should always be a portion of the meeting to cover this. There are 4 proposed implementers guidelines that need to be sent to the list and reviewed for a month before acceptance. They include:
A section on How NCIP an work with Shibboleth
How to exchange policy information. This is on the outstanding list of issues as How to access and/or exchange NCIP-related library policy information? What kind of information would be required? NCIP Schemes? User/Item Categories & associated policies? Location related policies? All of the above? Would a directory be needed? When is this likely to become a necessity?
Web Seminar for consultants. Gail Wanner will not be able to attend the meeting. She will draft an outline of this proposed presentation and Barbara Vance will lead a discussion of it.
NISO RFP guide. Frances will propose alternate text for the section that covers NCIP, since it seems not to say enough about DCB and Self Service profiles. She will lead a discussion of that.
Schedule for future meetings, phone calls or face-to-face
Since some participants in the monthly calls will not be able to attend, there is a need to try to provide conferencing facilities for parts of the meeting. In particular John Bodfish was concerned about the discussion of the Pickup location problem. Frances mentioned that Steve Gregory of Colorado had said in a previous call that he could not attend the on site meeting. There is also a need to produce good minutes. It was suggested that we ask Ed Davidson if he could do some or all of the minutes.
3. Next face-to-face meeting.
Tony O'Brien of OCLC will send a posting concerning reservations for the hotel for the April meeting. It was decided that the substance of the agenda would be put off until the March conference call but that everyone would assume that "low stress" items would be reserved for the last afternoon as people will be leaving. So far it seemed like approximately 10 people would be coming. Steve Gregory said he could not do the travel and there was some discussion of doing a conference call for a part of the agenda.
4. Action Items from the last meeting:
April 7-9 at OCLC in Dublin Ohio.
- Bob Gray
- Janaki Shankar
- John Barr
- Mark Needleman
- Barbara Vance
- Gail Wanner
- Randy Menakes
- John Bodfish
- Sue Boettcher
- Kevin Stewart
- Frances McNamara
1. Announcements, heads Up.
Frances had talked to Pat Harris at NISO. She has almost reached agreement with a non-vendor organization to act as the NCIP Maintenance Agency although it is possible that OCLC may do the registration part. Frances will follow up to see if the Maintenance Agency can send a representative to the April meeting or, if not, whether a conference call could help to start discussions at that time.
2. Agenda for April 7-9 meeting in Dublin, Ohio.
Frances solicited agenda topics. She will need to compile them into a proposed agenda and put a draft out to the list for comment.
Topics:
"Pick up location problem" Tony O'Brien of OCLC has raised this issue. It was suggested that Tony should write up the problem and suggested solution and that should be discussed. It may require a change to the protocol, so is a good example of something that needs a procedure to address it. This may also feed into a discussion of NCIP registration.
"How to accept/pay fees on a checkout" Sue Boettcher raised this issue which will require either the addition of a field or the use of two messages. Sue will write up the problem and a proposed solution.
Procedures to change the protocol. How to make defect reports. Do we change the DTD or revise it? Using the above two examples of problems, Mark Needleman will lead a discussion of what is needed for NCIP. Ideally we will have a representative of the Maintenance agency working on this with us.
Implementer's Guidelines. It was suggested there should always be a portion of the meeting to cover this. There are 4 proposed implementers guidelines that need to be sent to the list and reviewed for a month before acceptance. They include:
- patron name queries
- treatment of invariant characters
- how to handle a response with item use restrictions
- how to handle character encodings.
A section on How NCIP an work with Shibboleth
How to exchange policy information. This is on the outstanding list of issues as How to access and/or exchange NCIP-related library policy information? What kind of information would be required? NCIP Schemes? User/Item Categories & associated policies? Location related policies? All of the above? Would a directory be needed? When is this likely to become a necessity?
Web Seminar for consultants. Gail Wanner will not be able to attend the meeting. She will draft an outline of this proposed presentation and Barbara Vance will lead a discussion of it.
NISO RFP guide. Frances will propose alternate text for the section that covers NCIP, since it seems not to say enough about DCB and Self Service profiles. She will lead a discussion of that.
Schedule for future meetings, phone calls or face-to-face
Since some participants in the monthly calls will not be able to attend, there is a need to try to provide conferencing facilities for parts of the meeting. In particular John Bodfish was concerned about the discussion of the Pickup location problem. Frances mentioned that Steve Gregory of Colorado had said in a previous call that he could not attend the on site meeting. There is also a need to produce good minutes. It was suggested that we ask Ed Davidson if he could do some or all of the minutes.
3. Next face-to-face meeting.
Tony O'Brien of OCLC will send a posting concerning reservations for the hotel for the April meeting. It was decided that the substance of the agenda would be put off until the March conference call but that everyone would assume that "low stress" items would be reserved for the last afternoon as people will be leaving. So far it seemed like approximately 10 people would be coming. Steve Gregory said he could not do the travel and there was some discussion of doing a conference call for a part of the agenda.
4. Action Items from the last meeting:
- Web seminar (for consultants). Will be discussed at the April meeting
- Messages/profiles supportedí grid. No need for action. People should send additions and changes to Frances.
- XML test data. No action required. It was decided on the last call, to wait longer for input before any revisions are distributed.
- Z39.50 holdings record structures & data elements which map to NCIP data elements. OCLC was added this month.
- John will post proposal on how to do patron name queries in an NCIP application environment. Not yet done.
- Implementer's guidelines. Some guidelines that had been discussed have not yet been proposed and posted. These include the discussion of invariant character handling, and a couple of others. John will post to list.
- In the last call, John Bodfish proposed that NCIP-IG register the NCIP internet protocol with the name "ncip" for the socket connection for NCIP messaging. After discussion it was decided this would do no harm and could be useful. Since a specific person needs to be named, John will provide Frances with this request to register the defined transport mechanism for TCP/IP under NCIP and this will be submitted to IANA. A second issue raised by Tony O'Brien was whether there needs to be a fourth transport mechanism added to the protocol that would allow for a secure way to transfer on top of TCP. Should ssl on top of TCP go into the Implementation Profile. This needs to be put on a list of open issues to be tracked and Tony needs to make a proposal and post it to the list. POSTPONED AS NOT CRITICAL
April 7-9 at OCLC in Dublin Ohio.
